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Post by Lydia Tavera on Mar 25, 2010 14:46:34 GMT -5
 
I felt that this picture sums up quite nicely on how I feel about you two. If I would have selected two people sitting in the final 2 other than myself it would be you guys, so therefore I have no H8 <3. You two clearly deserve your spot in the finals and if I could give each of you a vote I would, but sadly I have only one to give out. 
Some people think that my vote will automatically go to Roddy due to our close relationship before this game but that would be unfair to Eddie and his gameplay. I shared this experience with both of you boys and you both equally have the same right to have your voices heard to help me (and others) determine the rightful winner.
I have worked along side you both throughout the game so I know most of went on in the Hell’s Angels perspective so I kind of want to see your solo perspective of the game. A lot of good questions have already been asked so hopefully I can provide some good ones. And if there are some repeats, I apologize but I tried to get some new material so you don’t have to repeat yourself over and over again.
These questions are for both of you:
Both of you came into this game as sinners, however I did see some saint-like actions from both of you. So what I want to know is what was your most sinful and saintly thing you did in this game? Please give one example of how you acted sinful in this game (EX: What was your worst lie/backstab/greedy action you did in this game) and an example of how you acted saintly in this game (EX: Help another person out/anything good without any personal gain in the game).
Also both of you neither made it to the F2 in your original seasons. What did you do differently in this season to get to the end? How did you change your strategy from your previous season if you did?
Us three were allies for a long time during this game, so what I want to know is what made you a good ally to Hell’s Angels? and what made you a bad ally to Hell’s Angels? Please give examples of both.
And lastly, if you could swap a jury member and a pre-jury member who would they be and why? (Basically what jury member doesn’t deserve their spot and what pre-jury member got screwed out of a jury spot).
Great job once again and also bringing the win home for Hell’s Angels. I look forward to hearing your responses. Remember, Jesus is listening in aswell, so no BS.  |
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Post by Jason Guy on Mar 25, 2010 15:04:45 GMT -5
*JESUS* <3
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Post by Eddie McGee on Mar 28, 2010 1:10:41 GMT -5
Saintly: You wanted a bad ass goodbye eviction speech and I gave it to you. I had some minimal risks to take with Sarah as a result...not because I was exposing Hell's Angels which I thought was strategic as well, but more because of how I was doing it. Since I couldn't find Sarah when I needed to I had to completely blindside her with a board post. Plus Sarah and you didn't really get along, so showing that much appreciation for you was probably going to piss her off. I did what I did the way I did it because I wanted you to feel good about your exit. No personal gain.
Sinful: Dragging out Will's eviction as long as possible for my evil enjoyment. I could have not used the veto on Sarah, not gotten you on the block, and not given Will hope until the last moment...but IT FELT SO GOOD! I was going to play as more of a Saint, with loyalism to my allies. If you and Roddy weren't in this game though I might not have even had the opportunity. Everyone wanted to either fuck me over or keep me at bay. The distrust out of Sarah and Nathan in particular was so transparent in the beginning of the game that it was just discouraging. Eddie was a GOOD Ally to Hell's Angels Because...
Firstly the team got a whole lot of sex appeal with my inclusion. Secondly I think I saved our alliance's ass after that mini BB competition where everything had to be put in place. I saved us by putting you up.
Anyone who says that the move was stupid is abstracting out the human and strategic elements way too fucking much. Yeah maybe if Renny had balls of steel he could have stayed on the block and Hell's Angels would have had a 10% chance of being screwed but come on...like that was going to fucking happen.
Who is not going to use the military coup if they are nominated? If a move like that backfires that's probably the stupidest move you can make in any reality show game. Getting flushed with a hidden immunity idol in Survivor is probably the closest equivalent but that's still one hundred times less retarded.
I've never seen anyone nominated who wasn't paranoid and fidgety. Renny was always going to use the coup, drunk or sober. And on that, while drunk Renny thought it was a good idea to activate the power because she didn't know where Alex stood...it was still sober Renny that put Alex up for not knowing where he stood. So drunk or sober, something wasn't right.
In any case, Renny had a very good reason to be paranoid. Renny almost nominated Alex once before. Two rounds later Alex had to beg Renny for a vote and barely got it. Close personal relationship or not...that kind of game relationship is nothing to gamble not using a military coup over.
Had he not used the military coup, Renny would have gotten flushed with it. Alex's game was cornered and fucked when I came to him and gave him survival only a round before. I was HOH. If I really wanted Renny out, would Alex have gone out of his way to make his game a bigger train wreck? I'd like to think not. If Renny didn't use the coup, I had Alex, Jun, and Roddy and that's that...then I'd have broken a tie. A tie only if Will didn't turn on Renny despite their alliance before that vote was done.
In any case Lydia, I know you know all this. I was just expressing myself to the other jurors who are overhearing us right now and might have silly ideas in their heads.
Now onto the results of that move:
Sarah flat out called out our alliance the night I won HoH but by the next week I was pretty alright in Sarah and Will's books. Good enough to keep over Jun. Good enough to decide that final 7 was the right time to get rid of Nathan. Good enough to help you win final 6 HOH with some of Sarah's answers which put us in the position to flush Will's power. Finally I was good enough in Will's book to throw the Veto to.
Would that have happened if I put Will or Sarah up on the block when I was HoH? I don't think so. If I put Alex up, would Renny have “not known where he stood” when he was going to make his military coup nominations? Nope. Finally sticking Jun up would just have been saying “Here is Hell's Angels. I don't give a fuck about Jun.” I don't know if Nathan would have chosen to stick me with Jun that following round if that's how I went with it.
My idea of sticking one of us on the block before Renny uses the military coup and then faking a fight over it saved our asses and I really don't think any of us would have been final 3 if it didn't go down exactly this way. I fully exposed our alliance to win HoH and fully hid our alliance by the time I was done with that HoH.
To everyone looking from the outside, it looked like a mess. From within, it's clockwork.
Eddie Was a BAD Ally to Hell's Angels Because...
Even though I think I was loyal to the end, I did like to keep the odds in my personal court just in case. I was supposed to handle Will and Sarah while you and Roddy were supposed to handle Renny and Nathan. When the choice fell into my hands of evicting Will or Renny...I could tell you really wanted Will out. You had some good points for why Will had to go right then...but to vote out Will would be to throw a big fuck you to Sarah and just continue on with no outside allies. That wasn't going to happen.
I'd switch up Natalie and Renny. Natalie got robbed by Dave leaving so suddenly and gave a huge amount of crap about this game. Renny didn't seem to give that much of a crap. Switch those bitches up. |
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Post by Lydia Tavera on Mar 30, 2010 13:16:08 GMT -5
Thanks Eddie, especially for my awesome Hell's Angels send off. <3 Roddy your turn. |
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Post by Roddy Mancuso on Mar 30, 2010 15:23:03 GMT -5
Sinful - I think the thing I felt was most sinful in this game was deciding to solidify my final 2 with Eddie before the final 6 round. This might sound like a weird thing to pick, but the reason I chose it is because you were still in the game. We had an implied final 2, and I knew that if it came down to it, you would keep me and were probably expecting I would do the same– but I made the deal with Eddie anyways. This was partially because I knew we had to offer him something better than an f3 with an obvious pair, but also because I wanted him to take me if we got to the end. Even though I don't feel like this is an example of betrayal backstabbing in action, for the rest of the game I kinda felt like I was leading you on. That's obviously a big deal for me because you are someone I was extremely loyal to and close with - it was not easy for me to do, and it felt very sinful.
Saintly – Probably the most saintly thing that I did in this game was take Eddie to the finals with me over Sarah. Taking Sarah would have been the rational decision for me to make. She had more hate on the jury, and it is very possible the votes would have been locked up for me. But I chose to go in with lower odds, and take my ally with me at a time where it would be impossible for him to pay me back. I guess we have yet to see how the decision will play out, but I think it was definitely saintly.
I think I have answered this question a few times, in other’s people’s threads, so I will be brief.
In my original season I was dropped at the final 3 round, because I didn’t try very hard to stay. This time, I never lost sight of the fact that I was not gonna settle for 3rd. I was in a close alliance with you and Eddie, and I was happy to go to final three with you two because I knew I would make the final 2 for sure in that scenario.
Also, when final 3 did roll around I had to change plans because instead of being with you and Eddie, I was Sarah and Eddie. I made a deal with Sarah that ensured I would advance through to the next round, and because she would have kept it I was guaranteed final 2 in this instance as well.
Anyways, sorry, but I feel like I have explained this in a few other threads so I will leave it at that.
I think what made me a good ally to Hell’s Angels is that I really feel like I was the glue that held it together in certain respects. I know you and Eddie were tight, but I really feel like I was kind of a link between the two of you, and had I not been around, I do not know if Hell’s Angel’s would have lasted the way that it did.
I think there are two examples of when this kinda shone through. The first is the final 9 round when Eddie was proposing nominating one of us before Renny used her coup. I think that you and Eddie saw that decision pretty differently, and that I was somewhere in the middle. I was really nervous that it would cause conflict between the three of us, and I knew that we needed to make sure we stayed solid. As we were discussing things in the group conversation, I was speaking to both of you independently outside of the conversation to try and make sure that you guys would understand where the other is coming from, and make this a smooth process.
At final 6 there was another similar instance when Hells Angels (or more specifically, Eddie) had to vote out either Will or Renny. I think that had I not been around, you and Eddie probably would have both left with a sour taste in your mouth about that eviction. But I tried to point out that in the grand scheme of things it wasn't a very big deal, and that it was much more important to keep us united as we were going into final 5.
I think what made me a bad ally to Hell’s Angels was that for the first half of the game, I was unable to win ANYTHING. I will be honest, I did throw a few competitions, but for the most part I was just failing. I am certainly not a competition god or anything, but I can usually win a few comps a season. I totally underperformed, and at times it was embarrassing. I think had we won a little bit more early on, we wouldn’t have been in the underdog position that we were by the time final 9 rolled around.
But in terms of strategy and game play, I do not really feel like I was a bad ally at all to Hell’s Angels. It was my goal to get us through to the final 3 the whole game, and I never really lost sight of that.
First off, I wouldn’t choose to swap anyone unless I had to, but clearly that is what the question is asking. My choice would definitely be Jun and Rachel.
I say this because I think strategically it might have been a mistake for me to keep Jun over her. I think Rachel actually would have been willing to legitimately align with me, and I ended up keeping someone who wasn’t loyal to anyone. Also, I was hoping Jun might start wining a few competitions, but that never ended up happening either. The decision didn’t end up biting me in the ass, but it definitely could have.
I do not think Rachel is more deserving than Jun of her spot, but I think I made the wrong decision at the time I chose to keep Jun, so that's why I would swap them.
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