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Post by Sarah Hrejsa on Feb 18, 2010 14:44:12 GMT -5
~ Episode 4 ~
Okay, I started this the other night and firefox shut down and i lost it all. Basically, my thoughts this week are that 1) I hated the HOH comp because it was subjective, even though I agree pretty much with the judging and the results worked out for us. I also didn't like how some people were privvy to info that others weren't. Again, not that it may have mattered, but why should some players be told inside info and others not? I just had to state that for the record since I feel strongly on that point.
Secondly, the POV comp sucked. I feel retarded and it sucked because I could totally have done that challenge - it was fun, so I am not happy I screwed up. I don't know why I was placed below Renny on the standings, though, since she wasn't even there. How can she get zero points when not showing up should really be a dq from the challenge and not a zero? It looks as if she was there just didn't earn points.
As far as the veto/votes. Jun approached me and asked if I'd vote out Nat. I was mixed on this because I was planning on working with Nat in the game. I like Nat(Seb) and I am not opposed to the fact that he is a huge target for Sheila/Jason but he is such a wildcard and it's really impossible to trust him. He mentioned going to the end with me, which I never agreed to - I left it pretty vague on purpose. I don't trust that he wanted me as his F2. He has talked to me way too little for that - and I've heard from others that he tells them way more. I know Renny is probably his #1 and Will is also ahead of me in Nat's line-up. If he trusted me as much as Will he would have given me the HOH answers the first week before Will, but he waited like 5 minutes to do so. Not that I wanted HOH but it still shows where his loyalties lie.
Anyway, Eddie is on the block with Nat and I have to choose. Do I go with Nat, who I know is capable of gaining sympathy, trust just to end up backstabbing the next round and laughing about it? I was burned once by him in season 2 and I learned my lesson. Eddie isn't a saint either (obv) but I think he's a little more even and I think overall it just makes more sense to keep him over Nat. I keep waiting for the timebomb of Nat to go off and for her to start trying to drag me into her public fights against Sheila/Jason. I'm really not interested and prefer the game I'm playing right now. Keeping Eddie helps me do that since Eddie will be a bit more subtle, I believe. Also, I want Jun to trust me and I think it helps our bond when I agree to support her decision in voting Nat. It also helps me with Rachel. Sorry, Nat, but I know you'd sell out your own mother if it helped you in a game. I love you but I'm playing a game and I need to think of myself, as I know you are.
One final note - I posted the convos but Will really screwed up the other night and posted something to Sheila/Jason which was meant for me. When Sheila asked if he was talking to me I immediately said no but I think she is suspicious. Hopefully it will all blow over and she will not think I am "after them." I'm really not. I just let Will go on about them but I have no interest in taking Sheila out - maybe Jason if I knew it was doable, but I'd rather just let others have them as enemies and not stand out as their target just yet. Hopefully this didn't screw with those plans.
Okay, I guess I will go vote...
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Post by Sarah Hrejsa on Feb 18, 2010 14:45:16 GMT -5
Okay here's the convo - I moved it:
Will 10:06 pm (10:06:47 PM): OH FUCK ME Buffy Zanzibar 10:06 pm (10:06:55 PM): WHT? Will 10:06 pm (10:06:57 PM): I JUST SAID SOMETHING IN THE WRONG CHAT Buffy Zanzibar 10:07 pm (10:07:03 PM): lol what? Will 10:07 pm (10:07:12 PM): I meant to say it to you - about sheila and jason Buffy Zanzibar 10:07 pm (10:07:16 PM): OMG Will 10:07 pm (10:07:18 PM): but I said it TO sheila and jason Buffy Zanzibar 10:07 pm (10:07:19 PM): in the pov chat? (10:07:21 PM): lol Will 10:07 pm (10:07:22 PM): YES Buffy Zanzibar 10:07 pm (10:07:23 PM): what did you say? Will 10:07 pm (10:07:35 PM): JDeanUT: we need to figure out what to do with them JDeanUT: I hate that they keep winning and that they're so tight, and so powerful JDeanUT: but I also like both of them Buffy Zanzibar 10:07 pm (10:07:36 PM): oh jeez (10:07:42 PM): sheila just asked if you were talking to me (10:07:43 PM): crap Will 10:07 pm (10:07:47 PM): oh fuck Buffy Zanzibar 10:07 pm (10:07:52 PM): i'm saying no Will 10:07 pm (10:07:54 PM): they have to know I'm talking about them (10:07:57 PM): what should I say? Buffy Zanzibar 10:08 pm (10:08:03 PM): idk but don't say you're talking to me Will 10:09 pm (10:09:20 PM): I just had to admit that I was talking about them (10:09:27 PM): they were like "yeah we know" Buffy Zanzibar 10:09 pm (10:09:34 PM): um just say you were doing it on purpose Will 10:09 pm (10:09:37 PM): and madea a smiley face Buffy Zanzibar 10:09 pm (10:09:40 PM): like to see if they were awake Will 10:09 pm (10:09:52 PM): I already told them it was a mistake (10:09:55 PM): I just had to laugh about it (10:10:04 PM): but I said "well, I was going to propose to someone that we form a foursome" (10:10:17 PM): but now they want to know who with, and I don't want to tell them I was talking to you Buffy Zanzibar 10:11 pm (10:11:53 PM): yeah please don't (10:11:57 PM): i said it wasn't me Will 10:12 pm (10:12:44 PM): no I won't Will 10:14 pm (10:14:18 PM): oh lord... (10:14:22 PM): that's amazing Will 10:16 pm (10:16:22 PM): ok well the good news is, I think they might be down with it (10:16:24 PM): I don't know (10:16:35 PM): but the thing is... is it a good idea? (10:16:45 PM): do we WANT to work with them, or is that shooting ourselves in the foot? Buffy Zanzibar 10:17 pm (10:17:15 PM): um you cannot say it was me (10:17:26 PM): please (10:17:28 PM): ugh Will 10:19 pm (10:19:29 PM): I am not saying anything (10:19:45 PM): I'm just telling them that I asked a few people just to see where they stood (10:21:04 PM): but I told them that I don't know who we could get cause I'm not sure who wants to work with them (10:21:21 PM): I was trying to explain why I would say that I am sick of them winning and stuff (10:21:23 PM): I don't know Buffy Zanzibar 10:22 pm (10:22:18 PM): lol ok Will 10:22 pm (10:22:32 PM): have they said anything to you? Buffy Zanzibar 10:25 pm (10:25:04 PM): she asked if you were talking to me (10:25:06 PM): and i said no (10:25:11 PM): and then she told me what you said (10:25:16 PM): but she might not believe me (10:25:19 PM): because who else is up? Will 10:25 pm (10:25:32 PM): I have no idea Buffy Zanzibar 10:25 pm (10:25:37 PM): um no one (10:25:38 PM): lol Will 10:25 pm (10:25:38 PM): people could be invis Buffy Zanzibar 10:25 pm (10:25:40 PM): i know (10:25:44 PM): hopefully she thinks that Will 10:31 pm (10:31:05 PM): well, Jason seemed excited by the idea (10:31:17 PM): Sheila didn't say a word from the time I said my big stupid mistake (10:31:20 PM): she still hasn't Buffy Zanzibar 10:31 pm (10:31:22 PM): about what? (10:31:25 PM): she went to bed Will 10:31 pm (10:31:28 PM): oh she did? Buffy Zanzibar 10:31 pm (10:31:40 PM): Jason will be excited about anything you say Will 10:31 pm (10:31:45 PM): Jason said the same thing, but they're both still in the chat room Buffy Zanzibar 10:31 pm (10:31:48 PM): tell him you hate him and he'll say <333 Will 10:31 pm (10:31:52 PM): haha (10:31:56 PM): I hate the <3 thing Buffy Zanzibar 10:32 pm (10:32:12 PM): lol Will 10:32 pm (10:32:26 PM): well we need to decide if we're going to be with those guys, or against them Buffy Zanzibar 10:32 pm (10:32:34 PM): um no lol (10:32:40 PM): I am not going to be in a fsome with them (10:32:46 PM): because then they'll know you were talking to me Will 10:33 pm (10:33:04 PM): hmmm Will 10:33 pm (10:33:15 PM): I don't mean we need to form an alliance right now with them Buffy Zanzibar 10:33 pm (10:33:15 PM): i mean i would rather just act like I am but i think you should drop this foursome thing (10:33:24 PM): because they will want to know who you meant (10:33:46 PM): i'm certainly not going to go out and attack them (10:34:01 PM): i liked our positions before you said that to them lol Will 10:34 pm (10:34:14 PM): yeah, but if we win HOH and don't put jason up, the whole house is going to hate us Buffy Zanzibar 10:34 pm (10:34:19 PM): omg (10:34:26 PM): i'm not playing for the whole house (10:34:37 PM): in fact i hate when people do things for the house (10:34:42 PM): and i don't agree anyway (10:34:50 PM): who is the whole house? (10:35:00 PM): eddie? Will 10:35 pm (10:35:02 PM): well no one likes those two Buffy Zanzibar 10:35 pm (10:35:04 PM): nat? Will 10:35 pm (10:35:09 PM): I just don't want to be roped into their group Buffy Zanzibar 10:35 pm (10:35:12 PM): okay well i'm not going to declare war Buffy Zanzibar 10:35 pm (10:35:33 PM): i don't think we need to take a stand at this point (10:35:49 PM): i guess if and when one of us are hoh again we can deal with it then you know? Will 10:35 pm (10:35:55 PM): yeah that's true Buffy Zanzibar 10:35 pm (10:35:59 PM): i just don't want to borrow trouble Will 10:36 pm (10:36:04 PM): we don't need to pick sides quite yet Buffy Zanzibar 10:36 pm (10:36:06 PM): like this round (10:36:08 PM): we are safe (10:36:11 PM): let's just relax Will 10:36 pm (10:36:15 PM): and next round jason is immune anyway Buffy Zanzibar 10:36 pm (10:36:18 PM): yeah (10:36:33 PM): and i don't talk to anyone about my real strategies except you (10:36:35 PM): no one (10:36:44 PM): like when nat talks to me about sheila/jason Will 10:36 pm (10:36:46 PM): well I don't have any real strategies yet Buffy Zanzibar 10:36 pm (10:36:47 PM): i don't say much Will 10:36 pm (10:36:54 PM): hehe Buffy Zanzibar 10:36 pm (10:36:56 PM): and I don't want him including me in his fights (10:36:58 PM): with them (10:37:06 PM): I just want to distance myself from drama for now Will 10:37 pm (10:37:24 PM): yeah, that was my original intention Buffy Zanzibar 10:37 pm (10:37:30 PM): so i don't want my name brought up lol Buffy Zanzibar 10:37 pm (10:37:41 PM): ugh Will 10:37 pm (10:37:53 PM): well those two never talk to me. I doubt they will again (10:37:55 PM): even after this Buffy Zanzibar 10:38 pm (10:38:02 PM): i almost wanted to say yeah you were talking to me but I just agree with you when you say that stuff lol (10:38:06 PM): but then it makes you look bad too (10:38:14 PM): don't be so sure (10:38:26 PM): they are both open to whatever benefits them Will 10:38 pm (10:38:39 PM): well we will see what happens Buffy Zanzibar 10:38 pm (10:38:42 PM): yeah Will 10:38 pm (10:38:47 PM): I don't think they're terribly concerned with having allies (10:38:53 PM): I mean, they have been playing completely alone so far Buffy Zanzibar 10:39 pm (10:39:07 PM): yeah Will 10:39 pm (10:39:09 PM): I really don't think they'll pursue it much Buffy Zanzibar 10:39 pm (10:39:28 PM): well they have enough enemies (10:39:32 PM): i'd rather not be added to their list Buffy Zanzibar 10:39 pm (10:39:50 PM): and honestly Will 10:39 pm (10:39:52 PM): I mean, ideally, we would just stay in the background and let people think that we will do whatever (10:39:58 PM): and meanwhile they'll tear each other apart Buffy Zanzibar 10:39 pm (10:39:59 PM): in our house i think Jason's okay Will 10:40 pm (10:40:00 PM): while we watch Buffy Zanzibar 10:40 pm (10:40:02 PM): he has ev (10:40:11 PM): and I dont think lydia is exactly against him (10:40:15 PM): although i'm not sure about her (10:40:21 PM): all i know is she is with roddy Will 10:40 pm (10:40:25 PM): well I hear she is with Roddy Buffy Zanzibar 10:40 pm (10:40:29 PM): lol Will 10:40 pm (10:40:30 PM): yeah Buffy Zanzibar 10:40 pm (10:40:30 PM): yeah Will 10:40 pm (10:40:39 PM): lotta pairs in this game Buffy Zanzibar 10:40 pm (10:40:45 PM): yes Will 10:40 pm (10:40:58 PM): eddie and natalie are together Buffy Zanzibar 10:41 pm (10:41:07 PM): are they? Will 10:41 pm (10:41:11 PM): I think so Buffy Zanzibar 10:41 pm (10:41:13 PM): natalie is good at that (10:41:18 PM): making alliances (10:41:21 PM): secret ones Will 10:41 pm (10:41:27 PM): yeah she probably has several people thinking she's with them Buffy Zanzibar 10:41 pm (10:41:28 PM): maybe some not so secret Will 10:41 pm (10:41:29 PM): she did that to me Buffy Zanzibar 10:41 pm (10:41:32 PM): probably Will 10:41 pm (10:41:34 PM): and I let her think that Buffy Zanzibar 10:41 pm (10:41:39 PM): yeah (10:41:43 PM): just let her Will 10:41 pm (10:41:47 PM): yeah (10:41:48 PM): sje Will 10:41 pm (10:41:51 PM): she's easy Buffy Zanzibar 10:41 pm (10:41:54 PM): as long as she doesn't drag you into stuff (10:41:59 PM): that's the danger with her Will 10:42 pm (10:42:01 PM): haha she tries Buffy Zanzibar 10:42 pm (10:42:04 PM): she is too confrontational (10:42:11 PM): that's not how i want to play Will 10:42 pm (10:42:27 PM): "I just posted a reply to Sheila and Jason - now you go post something about how you hate sheila!" (10:42:29 PM): um... no Buffy Zanzibar 10:42 pm (10:42:42 PM): lol Will 10:42 pm (10:42:43 PM): she always tries to get me to do that Buffy Zanzibar 10:42 pm (10:42:50 PM): yeah glad she doesn't do it to me (10:43:11 PM): okay (10:43:16 PM): i need to get to bed Will 10:43 pm (10:43:20 PM): me too Buffy Zanzibar 10:43 pm (10:43:21 PM): i got up late today (10:43:22 PM): lol Will 10:43 pm (10:43:23 PM): sorry I fucked up Buffy Zanzibar 10:43 pm (10:43:27 PM): have a good night (10:43:29 PM): eh it happens (10:43:34 PM): i've done it lol (10:43:39 PM): only usually just about myself :-P Will 10:43 pm (10:43:43 PM): haha Buffy Zanzibar 10:43 pm (10:43:54 PM): night :-) Will 10:43 pm (10:43:57 PM): night Will 10:51 pm (10:51:01 PM): go write your confessional about how stupid Will is (10:51:02 PM): hehe Will 10:53 pm (10:53:02 PM): I can't wait to read it (10:53:03 PM): hehe Buffy Zanzibar 10:54 pm (10:54:12 PM): lol (10:54:14 PM): okay Will 10:54 pm (10:54:42 PM): trust me, I've already written my confessional about how stupid Will is Buffy Zanzibar 10:54 pm (10:54:58 PM): what color text do you want? (10:55:01 PM): sheila gets pink Will 10:55 pm (10:55:30 PM): I always pick blue (10:55:35 PM): when given the choice Buffy Zanzibar 10:55 pm (10:55:48 PM): oh good (10:55:51 PM): that's what i picked Will 10:56 pm (10:56:06 PM): yay (10:56:13 PM): ok I have a half hour left of Big Love before I can go to bed (10:56:19 PM): so I'm gonna go finish that Buffy Zanzibar 10:56 pm (10:56:23 PM): lol okay (10:56:28 PM): i'm really going after this Will 10:56 pm (10:56:35 PM): ok talk to you tomorrow Buffy Zanzibar 10:56 pm (10:56:36 PM): omg firefox (10:56:38 PM): you bitch Will 10:56 pm (10:56:44 PM): haha what? Buffy Zanzibar 10:56 pm (10:56:50 PM): i didn't ave it and it's fucking shutting down (10:56:51 PM): grrr Will 10:56 pm (10:56:55 PM): oh hell no Buffy Zanzibar 10:57 pm (10:57:00 PM): damnit Will 10:57 pm (10:57:02 PM): that sucks (10:57:19 PM): cause you know this is going to be in an episode (10:57:19 PM): hehe Buffy Zanzibar 10:57 pm (10:57:47 PM): ugh w/e
Sheila 10:06 pm (10:06:59 PM): lolol <3 (10:07:33 PM): is will talking to you? Buffy Zanzibar 10:08 pm (10:08:11 PM): no why? Sheila 10:08 pm (10:08:20 PM): lol him, jason, and I are still in the veto chat (10:08:22 PM): and he said this (10:08:28 PM): JDeanUT (1:05:47 AM): we need to figure out what to do with them JDeanUT (1:05:55 AM): I hate that they keep winning and that they're so tight, and so powerful JDeanUT (1:06:00 AM): but I also like both of them (10:08:29 PM): :-( (10:08:33 PM): we assume he means us Buffy Zanzibar 10:08 pm (10:08:34 PM): omg (10:08:41 PM): who else is inthere? Sheila 10:08 pm (10:08:44 PM): no one Buffy Zanzibar 10:08 pm (10:08:52 PM): um Buffy Zanzibar 10:08 pm (10:08:59 PM): maybe he means jun and lydia (10:09:00 PM): haha Sheila 10:09 pm (10:09:06 PM): no he admitted he meant us :-( (10:09:07 PM): how rude Buffy Zanzibar 10:09 pm (10:09:16 PM): lol omg Sheila 10:09 pm (10:09:17 PM): earlier he was like "it sucks that everyone is against you guys!" (10:09:21 PM): so fake :-( Buffy Zanzibar 10:10 pm (10:10:02 PM): he said that? Sheila 10:10 pm (10:10:07 PM): yes (10:10:18 PM): like we're not dumb (10:10:21 PM): we know everyone wants us out lol (10:10:33 PM): but there's the occasional person that kisses our ass Buffy Zanzibar 10:10 pm (10:10:37 PM): lol (10:10:41 PM): um (10:10:45 PM): I don't kiss your ass Sheila 10:10 pm (10:10:47 PM): i know Buffy Zanzibar 10:10 pm (10:10:52 PM): and i don't want you out Sheila 10:10 pm (10:10:56 PM): I know Sheila 10:11 pm (10:11:01 PM): snoopy knows that too (10:11:05 PM): you and ev are basically the only 2 we trust Buffy Zanzibar 10:11 pm (10:11:11 PM): so why did you ask if he was talking to me? Sheila 10:11 pm (10:11:19 PM): well I wanted to know who he was saying that to (10:11:24 PM): he followed it up by saying (10:11:30 PM): "oh i was going to propose a 4some to someone" (10:11:31 PM): lol.... Buffy Zanzibar 10:11 pm (10:11:35 PM): lol (10:11:41 PM): hm (10:12:31 PM): well who would it be ? Sheila 10:12 pm (10:12:37 PM): idk thats why I think he's lying Buffy Zanzibar 10:12 pm (10:12:37 PM): you mean a foursome with you and snoopy? Sheila 10:12 pm (10:12:43 PM): and someone else apparently Buffy Zanzibar 10:12 pm (10:12:45 PM): oh Sheila 10:12 pm (10:12:55 PM): the only other people on are rob, eddie, dustin, roddy (10:12:57 PM): rob hates both of us (10:12:59 PM): eddie hates me Sheila 10:13 pm (10:13:01 PM): dustin hates snoopy (10:13:02 PM): roddy hates me (10:13:03 PM): lol (10:13:09 PM): thats why I thought it would be you Buffy Zanzibar 10:13 pm (10:13:09 PM): dustin hates snoopy? Sheila 10:13 pm (10:13:12 PM): um YES Buffy Zanzibar 10:13 pm (10:13:16 PM): oh Sheila 10:13 pm (10:13:17 PM): dustin threatens me every day (10:13:18 PM): saying Buffy Zanzibar 10:13 pm (10:13:22 PM): dustin's been so calm in this game Sheila 10:13 pm (10:13:28 PM): not with me.... Buffy Zanzibar 10:13 pm (10:13:35 PM): i'm just hoping he isn't being fake to me Sheila 10:13 pm (10:13:43 PM): all he does is say how im killing my game by being with snoopy Buffy Zanzibar 10:13 pm (10:13:47 PM): like just saying he isn't after me and then taking me out when he can Sheila 10:13 pm (10:13:50 PM): and how he wants snoopy out and so does the whole house Buffy Zanzibar 10:13 pm (10:13:51 PM): oh (10:13:53 PM): lol Sheila 10:13 pm (10:13:54 PM): and that im being dumb by not turing on him (10:13:57 PM): im like...i dont care Buffy Zanzibar 10:14 pm (10:14:01 PM): turing on him? (10:14:03 PM): oh turning Sheila 10:14 pm (10:14:04 PM): turning* Buffy Zanzibar 10:14 pm (10:14:06 PM): on snoopy Sheila 10:14 pm (10:14:27 PM): right Buffy Zanzibar 10:14 pm (10:14:47 PM): well i am not dumb - it's obvious you have a f2 with snoopy (10:14:48 PM): w/e (10:14:58 PM): but that's still not a reason for me to want you out Sheila 10:15 pm (10:15:08 PM): also its not like we wont get split up before then lol Buffy Zanzibar 10:15 pm (10:15:12 PM): and I hope you don't think i am carrying a grudge Sheila 10:15 pm (10:15:15 PM): I don't Buffy Zanzibar 10:15 pm (10:15:21 PM): or idk trying to be sarah warzone 2 (10:15:23 PM): again (10:15:24 PM): lol Sheila 10:15 pm (10:15:31 PM): honestly, you, ev, and snoopy are the only ones I'm looking out for Buffy Zanzibar 10:15 pm (10:15:37 PM): awww <333 (10:15:44 PM): well tbh (10:16:03 PM): I don't want people to think I want you in the game (10:16:10 PM): but i haven't been out blasting you either Sheila 10:16 pm (10:16:13 PM): I know (10:16:17 PM): ev's been doing the same thing Buffy Zanzibar 10:16 pm (10:16:31 PM): I mean I just figure i'll agree if someone says you're a threat because it's obvious Sheila 10:16 pm (10:16:37 PM): right lol Buffy Zanzibar 10:16 pm (10:16:41 PM): w/e (10:16:51 PM): i'm still not voting for you - or i wouldn't lol Sheila 10:17 pm (10:17:20 PM): not to gloat but I'm the only houseguest to have not been nominated at all in the series :-) Buffy Zanzibar 10:17 pm (10:17:41 PM): are you really? Sheila 10:17 pm (10:17:46 PM): yes Buffy Zanzibar 10:17 pm (10:17:54 PM): well i have a record for most nominations in season 2 :-) (10:17:56 PM): not to gloat Sheila 10:17 pm (10:17:57 PM): <333 (10:18:04 PM): that's actually better :-( Buffy Zanzibar 10:18 pm (10:18:07 PM): lol Sheila 10:18 pm (10:18:15 PM): like when I was nominated 5 times in bb10 or w/e (10:18:18 PM): it seemed more impressive Buffy Zanzibar 10:18 pm (10:18:20 PM): yeah so ev's been very close-mouthed Sheila 10:18 pm (10:18:20 PM): sorta lol (10:18:23 PM): I KNOW Buffy Zanzibar 10:18 pm (10:18:27 PM): i don't think he trusts me this game (10:18:32 PM): because of season 2 (10:18:37 PM): like because i almost voted him out Sheila 10:18 pm (10:18:40 PM): he doesn't seem to trust anyone Buffy Zanzibar 10:18 pm (10:18:40 PM): but I kept him lol Sheila 10:18 pm (10:18:44 PM): he won't talk to me about anything really Buffy Zanzibar 10:18 pm (10:18:50 PM): and he brought it up when he was on the block (10:18:58 PM): like he asked if I was still upset (10:19:02 PM): and i'm like - uh aboutwhat? (10:19:03 PM): lol (10:19:07 PM): not voting you out? (10:19:08 PM): idk Buffy Zanzibar 10:19 pm (10:19:24 PM): but he only really talked to me when he wanted me to keep him Sheila 10:19 pm (10:19:47 PM): he's never seemed to want to talk to me either (10:19:54 PM): I asked him if he had a clue and he said he didn't Buffy Zanzibar 10:19 pm (10:19:56 PM): i keep thinking he wants to get even for jessica (10:20:01 PM): but Sheila 10:20 pm (10:20:03 PM): uh I don't Buffy Zanzibar 10:20 pm (10:20:04 PM): lol that would be dum (10:20:06 PM): b (10:20:13 PM): because it was either him or her
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